Jay Papasan:
This week, we’re talking to Gene Rivers. Gene is not only one of my friends, but he’s also a business associate, and he’s been living The ONE Thing for over a decade. He was one of our top instructors. We would send him into Fortune 50 companies all over North America to teach the concepts in this book, because not only is he a great instructor, he’s living them at a high level.
So, this episode is less about what specific lessons from The ONE Thing are we going to learn. I think we get to learn from hearing about the life of one of our practice leaders, Gene Rivers, someone who lives this book at a high level in business and in life, and hearing how he’s dealt with the challenges that he’s faced in his career.
Just as a tiny little tease, he survived a horrible hurricane, 36 hours. He’s in his house with his family for like over 10 hours. He’s in the bathroom in the eye of the hurricane with his family. And they survived, but they lost everything in the process. They had to rebuild. How would you face a challenge like that? How does someone who lives The ONE Thing face a challenge like that? But one thing, they get into action. Check it out. This is a great episode and a great story from my friend, Gene Rivers
I’m Jay Papasan and this is The ONE Thing, your weekly guide to the simple steps that lead to extraordinary results.
All right, Gene, I’m so happy to have you back on the show.
Gene Rivers:
I’m glad to be here.
Jay Papasan:
You know, when we look back, some of your earlier shows were, I remember we did our original top 10 around 250 episodes, but that was like in the top 10 because like there are few people that are in my world who both live and speak to the book as well as you do. So, thank you for joining us because I know people are gonna love this, no pressure.
Gene Rivers:
No pressure at all, but where’s my royalty check?
Jay Papasan:
Yeah, there we go. We were chatting, when you think about, kind of, your journey with The ONE Thing, there’s the Gene Rivers before the hurricane, and then there’s the Gene Rivers after. Why don’t we start there? How were you pursuing success before the hurricane? And then, tell us a little bit about what y’all had to do there.
Gene Rivers:
Well, my wife and I, as you know, we’re in different career paths. We worked together, and we weren’t getting joy out of our work. And she and I both decided that we would go into business together, and we looked at a lot of different businesses, and we ended up choosing real estate.
Jay Papasan:
And you were in wine before. What was she back in?
Gene Rivers:
I was in the wine business. She was in the restaurant business, which is how we met. I would try to sell her wine and I sold her something else.
Jay Papasan:
There you go.
Gene Rivers:
But we had that joy in our lives. We were friends before we got romantic. We loved good food and wine and having fun and all that stuff. And once we got into the real estate business, what we saw in it, which was a very low down stroke but a very big return potentially, it was happening. And we’d quit our jobs. We had three months of our personal overhead and a bank account. We had kids at this time.
Jay Papasan:
How many?
Gene Rivers:
Two.
Jay Papasan:
Two kids.
Gene Rivers:
And we needed money, right? So, it wasn’t a joke for us to quit our jobs.
Jay Papasan:
And three months runway in a business where it can take three months to close your first house, if you already had it under contract, is not a lot of runway.
Gene Rivers:
Yes. But we did some work. You know, we both had business backgrounds, and we did some research, and we felt most agents really didn’t treat it like a business and that we could be successful in it. So, we got into it, and we got it rolling. And the first year, we made money. Well, actually, we made money the first 90 days. So, we were putting money back into that bank account. And from that point on, I’ve been getting a paycheck out of an entity. I’ve never gotten a big commission check. Commission checks have gone into a different entity. That’s another discussion, but we learned to live on money and then reinvested in our business.
And our fourth year, we were doing really well. We hired an assistant, and it wasn’t known to be legal in Florida. So, my broker was scared of it, and went to the attorney general in the State of Florida.
Jay Papasan:
Wow. That was before-
Gene Rivers:
That was way back, 34 years ago, and they didn’t have teams, and nobody knew how to deal with it.
Jay Papasan:
It’s hard to think about that, but when we think about real estate sales as in professional services, like with CPAs and attorneys, you had to be licensed. So, the idea that you would have someone unlicensed helping you out just confused everybody back then.
Gene Rivers:
But anyway, we were doing really well. We were making money and we were spending money. And like a lot of real estate agents, we were making more money than we ever made. And when you’re making money, and more money, and more money, and it’s more than you’ve ever made, there’s a feeling like, “Wow, we’ve got this figured out. This is great.” And we were also creating a lot of debt. So, we had two new cars that had loans. We bought a three-level home down in south of – this was all in Miami, Florida in South Dade County, right by the water. And Hurricane Andrew in the history books hit Homestead, Florida, which it did and destroyed it. But that’s inland. And we lived on the ocean between Homestead and where the hurricane came.
Jay Papasan:
So it hits you first.
Gene Rivers:
It is dead on. And we had the eye over our house for about 14 hours. And the whole thing lasted 36 hours. And-
Jay Papasan:
Were you there in your home when this happened?
Gene Rivers:
We were at the home.
Jay Papasan:
Oh my goodness, with your children.
Gene Rivers:
We were wrapped up in the master bathroom in mattresses, which was on the second level. The third level was completely ripped off. All the roof, everything was destroyed.
Jay Papasan:
And you go to the second level just because the first level is probably gonna flood.
Gene Rivers:
Well, that’s what they tell you. Get into your master bathtub and wrap yourself up with a mattress. And that’s what we did, yeah.
Jay Papasan:
Wow, okay. So the top of your house is gone, y’all weathered the storm.
Gene Rivers:
Well, yeah, the home was destroyed. Everything in the home was destroyed. You know, the things that you miss the most is the drawings your kids gave you, their first drawing, you know, pictures, things like that. It wasn’t the furniture. It was losing all of the personal stuff that was so hard. And my wife and I moved up to Tallahassee, Florida, and we were trying to figure out what we were going to do, but we had to get away from there. I’m from there, my parents were there, and they said, “Come up here, and hang out, and figure out what you’re going to do.”
Jay Papasan:
Tallahassee.
Gene Rivers:
Yeah, and that’s what we did. And we started nosing around in the real estate market there and we were looking at different markets as far away as Denver, and we realized that town was very, very old school and it was very broker-centric. There was no agent with a brand known in the marketplace to speak of. There were people who were well known, but they weren’t brand building themselves. So, we did a plan, and we relaunched our business there, and we had a very different focus. And you asked about the hurricane.
Jay Papasan:
Yeah, the before and after.
Gene Rivers:
Yeah.
Jay Papasan:
‘Cause I’ve only known you after, the Gene Rivers that knows exactly clarity on what’s important.
Gene Rivers:
Yeah. Well, what we realized was that there’s some universal truths about the business that we think it’ll work anywhere and we believe that, but we knew we had a lot of ground to cover because it took nine months to get the insurance company to pay off the mortgage on the house. We were still making payments on the house. And it took three months with one of the cars. And my wife, Rebecca, she’s very fierce about a few things. And one of those is our credit’s going to stay intact. So we kept making those payments. So, instead of moving out of the garage faster, we lived in a garage.
Jay Papasan:
You lived in your parents’ garage.
Gene Rivers:
Yeah, in my parents’ garage.
Jay Papasan:
With two kids.
Gene Rivers:
Yeah. And instead of moving out sooner, we stayed later because we wanted to get to the point where we could hire someone and really attack the market. And our goal was to get to 150 units a year. And we knew if we were making that kind of money-
Jay Papasan:
Had you been doing 150 in Miami in your fourth year?
Gene Rivers:
Nope, nope. We’d hired an assistant, like I said, and we were at about 60 and we were aiming to get to a hundred one day but-
Jay Papasan:
So, you set a new target in your reset that was 200% bigger than your previous high.
Gene Rivers:
Yeah, yeah.
Jay Papasan:
Was that just because the market was different or y’all just like, “No, we’re just gonna be really patient this time”?
Gene Rivers:
Well, no, it wasn’t patient. We wanted to hit 150 as soon as we could hit it. And when you think about if you’re opening a restaurant, you wouldn’t say, “Well, let’s sell about five or six meals this week. And maybe next week, we’ll do eight or 10.” You’d wanna sell hundreds right away.
Jay Papasan:
Right. You wanna turn every table three times.
Gene Rivers:
Right away. And that was our mindset. And we were extremely impatient, and we both shared that. So, we worked, and we worked very hard, and we built a team. And after our second year, we were number one in the market and nobody knew who we were.
Jay Papasan:
So, what was the singular thing, from The ONE Thing perspective, now, you’re very clear, you’re very clear on where you’re going, and I’m assuming you were very clear on what you needed to do to get there. And so, what was the singular thing that you were focused on to make such a remarkable two-year journey to 150?
Gene Rivers:
Talk to people.
Jay Papasan:
Talk to people.
Gene Rivers:
Talk to people.
Jay Papasan:
About real estate.
Gene Rivers:
About real estate. And it’s still true today. Talk to people. We started our day early in the morning. We went to the busiest gym. Again, we did the research and we knew this quadrant of the market area is where we want to focus our business. And we started going to businesses there. We started with the gym early in the morning, and we go to that gym, and we found out there’s about 60 regulars at 5 a.m. who were always there prior to going to work. And when we left that place… and by the way, it only took about 60 to 70 days and we’d met everybody there that was a regular. So, then, we’re just like, “Hey, how are you doing? How are you doing?” And everybody knew what we did. And we would talk to them about their real estate regularly.
Gene Rivers:
But we left there and we went to the busiest breakfast place. And at 7 a.m. there’s the people in line. And this was way before “Starbuck-in” and all that stuff. So, it was a bagel shop with great breakfast sandwiches and coffee. And there was always a line at 7 a.m. and guess what? The regulars, they go there five days a week to get their coffee and go to work. So, we didn’t stand together, we split up and we had people in front of us, behind us, and we’d stand there talking to them, “Hey, how are you doing?” It’s like, “Good to see you again. You’re regular here, aren’t you? Yeah, what do you do?” And sooner or later, they’d say, “What do you do?” So, we knew if we talked to people.
And there at the breakfast place, we got a newspaper, the local paper, and they have this section called What’s Going On in Town Today? And we’d look at it, and there’d be meetings that were posted. And we’d decide what meetings are we going to go to. What are you going to go to? What am I going to go to? I went to Ducks Unlimited and learned about killing ducks. And I went this year learned about saving ducks. And to this day, I like ducks.
But I joined a rotary club. My wife joined Zonta, a professional women’s organization. So, our idea about legion wasn’t it’s a one-on-one game. It’s to get inside groups of people, and it’s time leverage. We weren’t thinking about it that way. But if there’s a meeting going on, there’s 60 people there, and 15 or 20 minutes, I can cruise through them and say hello to a bunch of people.
Jay Papasan:
Right. It’s a lot faster than you could pick up the phone and call all of them in a TCPA compliant manner.
Gene Rivers:
That’s right. That’s right. That’s right. Yes, we will be compliant. And because of my love and my wife’s love of food and wine, we found the best restaurant in town was actually a French restaurant. We met the chef and I said to the chef-
Jay Papasan:
What kind of duck do you make? Do you make duck l’orange?
Gene Rivers:
Yeah, we did talk about duck. Yeah, we actually did. Anyway, I asked him, “What night are you closed? ‘Cause you don’t work seven days a week, do you?” He said, “No, we’re closed on Tuesdays.” And I said, “Suppose I started a food and wine club, and we meet on your closed night. If I could get you 50 or 60 people for a four or five-course meal, would you be interested in that?” And he said, “Absolutely, let’s do it.” So, we did that. And that club ended up with about 150 members and an average dinner, we only did 60 seats. And the people that joined that fine dining club were doctors and lawyers. And as my mom said, “That’s the movers and shakers in town.”
Jay Papasan:
Wow.
Gene Rivers:
Yeah. And that’s how you get to number one. Meet a lot of people and keep seeing them. It’s not a one-off. You keep seeing them over and over and over.
Jay Papasan:
It’s kind of like you inverted the question most people ask. Most people who understand, you ask anyone in sales, and especially in real estate in our world, “What’s your one thing?” they’re gonna say lead generation, right? I need to go out and market and prospect for business. But most of them are thinking about the hour or two a day that they need to focus on doing that.
And what I feel like y’all have done, I remember my first trainer I ever had, it was one of Gary’s trainer, I could afford her one day a week. And then, she would meet me at the office and work out in the gym. But she was teaching me, like, this is what working out is. And I had like one of those old polder watches, where you had the heartbeat and do a really hard workout and burn 550 calories. And I’d be like, “That’s not even a cheeseburger.” And she’s like, “No, there’s only so much you can do in the gym,” but she started coaching me. It’s like, “What I want you to do is instead of trying to figure out how much energy you can expend in the 45 minutes to an hour you’re in the gym, can you start just adding a little bit more energy to everything you do outside of it?”
She gave me a pedometer, like a cheap $10 one and said, “I want you to get 10,000 steps every day. Just get up and move your body. When you move it all day, you burn thousands of calories.” And so, like, I feel like y’all flipped it. Like everybody’s thinking about the gym workout as their lead generation, and y’all just made it not 24/7 but pretty much wherever you went, you were thinking lead gen.
Gene Rivers:
It’s your lifestyle.
Jay Papasan:
You know what, I’m gonna put a pin right there because I wanna flip on the other side of this and see how your clarity around how you rebuilt your business after the hurricane, what you needed and how you made it, you’re all encompassing ONE Thing for your business. I wanna take that, instead of going super, super deep, like we can wrap up the marketing conversation, I wanna talk about, you’ve also done some other amazing things with The ONE Thing. So let’s come back right after this break and we’ll dive into The ONE Thing and some of the other areas that I know you’re great at.
Gene Rivers:
Sure.
Jay Papasan:
So, the hurricane, you got very clear about building your business. From the outside in, like I’ve known you for over 20 years now, that business success that y’all found has created the opportunity for you to own multiple businesses. You’ve become a very successful investor. You’ve raised four kids that like, I mean, I hear Oxford, art criticism, like you’re doing okay in that too. And married for 35 years.
Gene Rivers:
Yeah.
Jay Papasan:
So, did the clarity you found in business, is that the thing? Like how did you line up those things, so that you could do so many things so well? And I know that you stubbed your toe plenty of times.
Gene Rivers:
Oh, Lordy, we’ve failed forward. We’ve heard that phrase over and over again, but I really think it’s true that if you’re not trying, you’re never gonna fail, but you’re never gonna win either. But if you’re trying to win, you’re going to stub your toe as pulling it mildly in the big downturn. We were millionaire agents when we came to KW. And the big collapse, our team was 26 people and three years later, it was eight people.
Jay Papasan:
That’s the Great Recession you’re talking about.
Gene Rivers:
The Great Recession, yeah. After ’06, you look at ’09, just shrunk, shrunk, shrunk. But the point was to stay profitable. And we kept shrinking in order to be profitable. It wasn’t that we weren’t making sales, but the costs were way, way more than we could handle.
Gene Rivers:
So, we cut it down. And then, market centers, we’ve done the same thing with our offices, we cut it down. We have an office last year, we cut $100,000 out of the overhead because of the change in the marketplace, right?
Jay Papasan:
Well, so I’m gonna highlight something else I’m picking up. Like I think we call it the reality habit. And know that this is a struggle for some people. So, we just unpack this. Like, with everything you’ve described, you looked in Miami when you’re making your career choice. Let’s get out of the restaurant and wine business and do this. You got perspective on what you might be getting into and you saw an opportunity.
After the hurricane, you go to Tallahassee, same thing. “Oh, look, this is an old boys’ network, there’s nobody doing anything. Like, we still have opportunity.” You get perspective. When the market turns, there are a lot of people who had to go through all the stages of grief, denial being foremost. You get to reality really quickly, so that you can ask the focusing question, like, what is it I need to do? Is it cut expenses? Is that a post-hurricane thing or is that something that you brought to the table?
Gene Rivers:
No, it’s a post hurricane thing to have that intensity, that feeling about it that’s really intense. You know, when you lose everything in 36 hours, and I mean everything, our pendings were gone, our listings were gone, only one car left, house destroyed, everything was gone. When you have that clarity, there’s a sense of, why are we wasting time? Move, move, move, you gotta move. And it’s easy to get caught up with thinking things are gonna get better, let’s just hold on, things are gonna get better. You have no idea about that, you just have no idea.
We don’t move fast enough, still, we don’t, but we have a large organization. We got about 35 people on payroll across North Florida. We’ve got seven locations. The bigger you get, the harder it is to turn on a dime, right? So, it’s not necessarily easy to do. And saying you’re gonna let somebody go in an office where there’s 150-200 people and that person services a bunch of people, that can cause fear, that can cause distrust. So, it’s more complicated. And you just go, “Oh, we gotta do something.” And then you just do it, you do it.
It does start with vision. But the perspective about time that I realize that I’ve moved into over a long period of time, but I realized where I’m at, there is not any more time than the day, and there’s not. I’m very clear that eight hours a day, that’s one-third of your life you’re sleeping, and when you’re sleeping, you’re not in reality. You’re skiing or you’re doing whatever or whatever but you are literally anti-reality. And then, you wake up and you’ve got reality. You got 16 hours. Half of that should be work, half of that should be learning and playing, and spending time.
And that eight hours of work, I think a lot of agents think about stuff they should have done yesterday, and they spend too much on that. You know, just shut up. You didn’t do it. You should have done it. You know you should have done it. Shut up. Now go do it, right? But they also can’t sit here today having a conversation with me and do anything tomorrow while they’re still here today.
And what people really have to understand is you don’t have any place to build your success except today. There is nothing else. If you don’t do something that matters today, you are done. You’re done. You got to wake up. There’s no tomorrow, and there’s no point in thinking about the past. Don’t get me wrong, if you make mistakes, learn from them. But if you screwed up, just stop screwing up. Just do what you need to do.
Jay Papasan:
And stop judging yourself for screwing up. I think most of the time is wasted when we get into this, “I should spiral. Well, I should have, I should have, I should have.” And there’s this voice in our head, moms or maybe it’s some coach or someone else that’s telling us that we have to be better versus just going out and making a tiny bit of progress in the right direction and trusting in momentum.
Gene Rivers:
Yeah. And there’s so much to do. But what I think is that every day, everybody should understand there’s four hours, five hours that if you get those right, things are gonna go forward and upward. And if you don’t get those right, you only get one hour right, you’ll be slow, there’ll be muck, you’ll be, “Why aren’t things getting better?” And you’re right, you just gotta figure that out. And that’s what The ONE Thing book is all about.
Jay Papasan:
Yeah. But even 30 minutes in the beginning is better than no minutes. And in my experience, the hardest part, people will spend 30 minutes just getting started. But then once they start, it’s easy to keep going. So, like start wherever you are. It doesn’t have to be four hours in the beginning, but you know that that’s where you wanna get to. Like if I can just kind of be on point, think about how little time that is, just for about four hours a day, actually do the things that I kind of need to do, that kind of takes care of virtually 90% of all the problems that you’re gonna face. Choosing to do the difficult things or the uncomfortable things, I’ll say uncomfortable, because doing what you need to do when you need to do it isn’t always hard, but it’s often uncomfortable in the beginning.
Gene Rivers:
I think that’s true, but I also think it’s just understanding what’s the most important thing for you to do. And there’s so much to do, I think people, sometimes, it’s the hardest thing to do, they just don’t see it with clarity. Like we talked about, lead generation is getting in front and talking to people and people are everywhere. What’s your problem?
Jay Papasan:
Talk to people about real estate.
Gene Rivers:
That’s right.
Jay Papasan:
What you do.
Gene Rivers:
You go to the grocery store once a week and get $200, you get it all wrong. You need to go five times a week, wear your name badge and talk to people, stay in the line and smile a lot and ask people, “Do you own or do you rent? I’m doing a survey.” I mean, you know, just-
Jay Papasan:
Don’t overcomplicate it.
Gene Rivers:
Don’t overcomplicate it. Don’t overcomplicate it.
Jay Papasan:
But I’ve hinted at all of these others. I’ve been a fan and a friend for a long time. You’ve done, I believe, a great job raising your kids. You guys have like a mountain home that y’all get to go to and do the things that you love. You built and designed a really amazing life, considering that 36 hours where, kind of, this new version of the Rivers started in that hurricane. What do you think is the one thing when you, like you’ve done investing, business ownership, the business itself, how does that all come together? Where do you start? Is that like your one thing that kind of makes all of those happen?
Gene Rivers:
I think the one thing for Rebecca and I is family. It is our children, it is us two, you know. But if you look at a life worth living, it’s gonna be about the time you spent with people that you love and care about and sharing experiences. And that will ultimately be the legacy that we leave our kids. And our kids, we’re very lucky. All of our kids are very, very close. They love each other, they respect each other. We are still spending as much time as we can with them.
Gene Rivers:
We had a place in Florida, we have our beach house there, we had another place in Florida and we got rid of that. My oldest daughter got a job that she was gonna be spending a lot of time in New York City, and our youngest daughter is already there working in neonatal medicine in a hospital. And my wife and I were talking, “Okay, we’re going to have two daughters in New York City.” My wife just looked at me-
Jay Papasan:
It’s time to invest in New York real estate.
Gene Rivers:
… and I looked at her and said, “All right, we got to get a place in New York City.” And we did, you know. So, we have a place in New York City now. You know, we see the kids, the granddaughter and son-in-law way more than we would see them if we didn’t have that place. But that’s not “the only place” we live. We also are in Florida. We still have our beach house and it’s in the middle of our business operation across North Florida. And the reason to have a beach house and a ski house is if you want to see your kids and grandkids for the rest of your life, that’ll do it.
Jay Papasan:
Go where they want to go with their friends.
Gene Rivers:
They will show up. Don’t worry about it. You’ll see them.
Jay Papasan:
I love that.
Gene Rivers:
It’s very pragmatic.
Jay Papasan:
And you and Rebecca, y’all are business partners and partners.
Gene Rivers:
Yes, yes.
Jay Papasan:
Do y’all have like a family meeting every week? How do y’all stay on track and keep that perspective? Do y’all just hold each other? I don’t want to say hold each other accountable. How do you support each other through all of this stuff for so long?
Gene Rivers:
It’s very difficult, I think, for married couples to do this. And I’ve known some who’ve gotten divorced over being in business together and couldn’t make it work. And it is definitely trying in business, no question about that. So, there’s hard decisions to make. And we don’t always agree on those. And just like personally, we don’t always agree about personal decisions to make.
But I think what we’ve navigated is that it is never going to be more important than being together. So, if the commitment is to be together, then we’ll have disagreements. She has been a fierce accountability partner for me, and I have been a fierce accountability partner for her. She will tell you most of our big business moves, I pushed into it. Our second market center was a failing one out of town, and I said, “We’re going to buy it and we’re going to turn it around.” She said, “Are you sure about that?” And I said, “Yes.” And that’s what we did.
So, I pushed her, she’s pushed me. But I mean, I think that’s what it’s about. Again, back to experiences worth giving, the other side of that is worth receiving. So, I think she and I give and receive experiences to each other that, sometimes, is very challenging, very difficult sometimes, but that’s what growth is about, isn’t it?
Jay Papasan:
Is that one of her core values? I feel like it’s got to be one of yours, growth.
Gene Rivers:
Oh, yeah.
Jay Papasan:
Yeah. So, that’s probably where you come together. Like, even when it’s uncomfortable, that’s where growth happens. It’s not in your comfort zone. So, if you’re both aligned around the values of growth and personal growth, and you’re doing it for your family and kids, you’ve got purpose pulling you, you’ve got clarity of values, and you know who you’re in the trenches with.
Gene Rivers:
Yeah, yeah.
Jay Papasan:
I love this. And I love… like, I didn’t realize this until we started talking, just how clear-eyed you’ve made yourself be about the reality of the situation you’re in, because it just gets you through that dance so much faster.
Gene Rivers:
Yeah, face reality.
Jay Papasan:
So, for someone who’s listening, may or may not be in real estate, based on what we’ve talked about, we like to give folks a challenge. So, what’s a small challenge we could give them between now and the next episode, based on what we’ve been talking about?
Gene Rivers:
I think if you don’t already do it, there’s this thing that I practice called a quantum leap morning. You know, I get up early, exercise, fuel my body, meditate, pray. I think that thing where every morning you spend 10 or 15 minutes quiet, just quiet, and not thinking, but being aware of what’s really important to you, and being aware for that day what’s the most important thing for you to do to feel good about your day. And if you can just take the time to do that, in your book-
Jay Papasan:
Yeah, it’s the energy plan. It’s like, it’s the part that a lot of people don’t get to at the back of the book. But when I interview highly successful people, you’d be amazed how often it comes up. How we start our days often determines how we finish them. So, starting with a little focus on building your foundation, exercise, meditation, clarity, that allows you, makes you so much more likely to do those little things that you got to do every day.
Gene Rivers:
Yeah, yeah.
Jay Papasan:
I love that, Gene. Thanks for coming on and sharing with us again.
Gene Rivers:
It’s my pleasure.
Jay Papasan:
Well, I hope you enjoyed my conversation with Gene Rivers. I certainly did. I always love catching up with my friend. Now, thinking about his challenge, I didn’t want to go there in the interview because we’d had such a great talk, but I think we need to make it a little bit more bite-sized. Is that really a lead domino activity that we could try this week? And I think let’s just start with one aspect of what he’s talking about with the Quantum Leap Morning. Can you, maybe starting tomorrow, all the way through next week, just take five minutes of reflection. Set your phone away, don’t look at the TV, turn it off. Like just reflect for five minutes on what your day needs to be about. What’s your one thing? And see if that doesn’t change your trajectory.
Now, next week, we’ll have a solo episode. I’ve gone on a deep dive on one of my favorite parenting experts. Maybe you’ve heard of Dr. Becky. If you haven’t, it doesn’t matter. I’m reading her books, I’m listening to her podcast, and I keep thinking, “Yeah, these are great parenting lessons, but they’re really leadership lessons here.” So, if you’d like to hear some of my favorite leadership lessons that I learned from a parenting expert, tune in next week, and we’ll all be better at leading ourselves and others.
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